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> Today I’d say: if you spend long periods of time deep in thought about hard philosophical questions, what you get is…nothing worthwhile. It’s not a complete waste of time per se—you’ll certainly learn interesting things. But it’s not going to solve life in the way that you expect it to. It won’t be an end to your suffering. It won’t make you all-powerful. And you won’t come to some insight that will feel like a discrete “before” and “after” moment in your entire life story.

I hate to show up and disagree (I feel like I always comment with disagreement)... but I disagree. I haven't attained omnipotence, but I've had insights that felt like discrete before and after moments. There are problems that disappeared one day and never returned. My suffering has dramatically reduced. A lot of this came from investigating questions like "what am I?" or "what are the mechanisms that drive this phenomenon?" or "what is the nature of experience?"

I think there's a subtle difference between two orientations towards philosophy. There is the kind that attempts to systematize the world and experience as a reflexive grasping for safety, because comprehension feels safe and uncertainty doesn't. And there's the kind that relentlessly analyzes things driven maybe by curiosity, an obsession with truth, or a desire to fix one's life. The second kind alone has the ability to pierce illusions, and illusions are usually the cause of suffering. It also will produce systematic understanding as a byproduct, though I'm not sure if that understanding can be transmitted effectively to another person (i.e. it's the process of creating the understanding, and not the understanding itself, that causes the change).

There's also the difference between abstract thought and engagement with experience - the difference between "how does consciousness work?" and "how does *my* consciousness work?". I think this distinction parallels the above one, because abstraction feels safe but concrete investigation doesn't.

In general I agree that reading philosophy probably isn't going to make much of a difference. But I think the attitude of investigation that philosophy promotes, when applied attentively and honestly, will reliably cause change.

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I definitely sympathize with your perspective here, but maybe a bit like fltsid's comment, I think there are different ways of approaching philosophy. In the modern Anglosphere, we tend to imagine philosophy as if it were another branch of science that, if done correctly and completely, will lead us to a set of unchanging and absolutely true propositions. Leaving aside the fact that this isn't even what science does, I think this understanding of philosophy is very limiting.

It's also globally and historically an anomaly rather than the rule. There's another idea of philosophy as a *way of life*, a *practice* of looking at the world through the lens of certain concepts as a way of changing our experience of that world. This mode is actually where philosophy began in the West (https://www.amazon.com/Philosophy-Way-Life-Spiritual-Exercises/dp/0631180338) and where it largely remained in East and South Asia. We could take a question like "what is most fundamental about experience or reality?" as an ongoing door *opener* rather than as something we are trying to close the door on once and for all.

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